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Jun 14, 2022

Back in episode 279 of this podcast (February 1, 2022: ‘Why work is the ideal place to talk about race’), we spoke with authors Margaret Greenberg and Gina Greenlee about their book The Business of Race. But while we talked extensively about personal experiences and inner work, we didn’t have a chance to dig into what L&D can do to promote an anti-racist workplace.

So this week on The Mind Tools L&D Podcast, Margaret and Gina are back with Ross G and Nahdia to discuss:

  • The pre-work required for organizational change
  • The extent to which diversity training is effective
  • Tools that can help L&D promote an anti-racist workplace.

Show notes

Find out more about The Business of Race, including links to order a copy, at: 

The LinkedIn page is: 

The Facebook page is: 

The tools that Margaret discussed were:

In 'What I Learned This Week', Nahdia recommended the Adam Curtis document The Century of Self:

Gina recommended The 1619 Project:

Margaret recommended Obasan by Joy Kagawa:

Ross referenced No-No Boy by John Okada:

And Ross shared that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky voiced Paddington Bear, prior to his current role:

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