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Feb 22, 2022

Is 'education' a liberating force that prepares children for a rapidly changing world? Or a system of control that kills their enthusiasm for learning.

On this week's Mind Tools L&D Podcast, Ross G and Ross D are joined by Patrick Cootes, Co-Founder and Chief Learning Officer of Mindstone, to debate. We discuss:

  • Traditional perspectives on education
  • The purpose of education
  • How systems reinforce one another.

During the discussion, Ross D mentioned a podcast segment about students who wondered what it would be like to live on the moon. This was a reference to The Ezra Klein Show: 

Ross G referenced the Freakonomics episode 'Freakonomoics goes to college: Part 1': 

And research from Pew: 

In 'What I Learned This Week', Ross D shared the story of Lena Forsen, covered by Wired:

And the story of Shirley Page, covered by 99% Invisible: 

Ross G shared trivia from the Martin Scorsese film Casino:

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Patrick has also written about education at: 

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