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Apr 13, 2021

This week on The Good Practice Podcast, we're removing power dynamics and stripping away management layers with the return of our book club.

Emerald Works CEO John Yates and Emerald Publishing CEO Vicky Williams join Ross G and Owen to discuss Humanocracy, by Gary Hamel and Michele Zanini.

We discuss:

  • the challenge the book presents to bureaucracy
  • a human-centred approach to organisation design
  • the difficulty of putting humanocracy into practice.

Show notes

Humanocracy is available now from all good bookshops.

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Vicky referenced the book How to Lead a Quest, by Jason Fox.

Ross referenced episode 231 — Should we defund HR? You can find it online ( or in your podcast feed.

For more on the emergence of hierarchies at Wikipedia, see: Lerner, J., & Lomi, A. (2017). The third man: Hierarchy formation in Wikipedia. Applied network science2(1), 1-30.

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